(This is cross posted from the dqn-list, since there hasn't been much
activity over here either. Appologies to those of you who get this in
your inbox twice.)

So we actually met for another session of my campaign this past
weekend. It's been a very intermittent schedule we've been keeping (I
think the previous session was in June), but I'm hopeful that we will
be playing more regularly in the coming year.

One of my players has a Greater Summoner, and he wanted to know how I
would interpret the following about Camio, one of the demonic presidents:

"Camio is a great linguist and will willingly teach his summoner the
languages of birds and mammals and also teach him to understand what
has passed in a place by reading the speech of running waters."

My on-the-spot interpretation is that there is one bird language, and
one language for each of the subcategories of mammals (felines, great
land mammals, riding animals, etc.) These languages only go to a
maximum of Rank 4 however.

Have any of the rest of you dealt with this? How have you interpreted
this?

Let's have some discussion in this group again,

Rodger

--- rthorm <rthorm@cornellbox.com> wrote:

---------------------------------
(This is cross posted from the dqn-list, since there
hasn't been much
activity over here either. Appologies to those of you
who get this in
your inbox twice.)
- - - -
My on-the-spot interpretation is that there is one
bird language, and
one language for each of the subcategories of mammals
(felines, great
land mammals, riding animals, etc.) These languages
only go to a
maximum of Rank 4 however.

Have any of the rest of you dealt with this? How have
you interpreted
this?

- - -

Have you seen GURPS Bunnies & Burrows?

The way it works there, and I think this is just fine
for FRP, is there is a basic language for an order of
animals (lagomorphs, rodents) which would have quite a
low max rank (say 3) but a more complex 'common' for
family languages (rabbits, rats) (say rank 5).

The low ranked language is a lot of fun as it involves
heaps of ambigious nouns and pointing..

HTH,



Lev

Let's have some discussion in this group again,

Rodger






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Rodger,

While not even remotely active anymore, I dealt with something
similar many years ago. We decided that there was probably a
different language for each type of animal, with some mixing for
similar types. Predatory animals probably knew a smattering of the
language of their prey, since that helped them hunt.

Also, these languages were probably low on vocabulary and of simple
grammar for most animals but got more complex as they followed the
evolutionary ladder. Thus reptiles were of few words with no emotions
as we understand them, more like states of being. Birds and
amphibians had a few more and started to incorporate simple emotions.
Mammals had more complex communications and eventually primates had
actual language and structure.

What got even more interesting was when we started discussing the
mode of communication. Reptiles generally had only body language, for
example. Birds obviously sang (as did whales and other large/
intelligent swimmer types.

One amusing anecdote was the day one of the players started role
playing squirrel sign language.

This is what happens when you role play with people who either have
biology/psychology/philosophy degrees or are in process. I miss those
days.

Marty

On Dec 19, 2005, at 2:12 PM, rthorm wrote:

> (This is cross posted from the dqn-list, since there hasn't been much
> activity over here either. Appologies to those of you who get this in
> your inbox twice.)
>
> So we actually met for another session of my campaign this past
> weekend. It's been a very intermittent schedule we've been keeping (I
> think the previous session was in June), but I'm hopeful that we will
> be playing more regularly in the coming year.
>
> One of my players has a Greater Summoner, and he wanted to know how I
> would interpret the following about Camio, one of the demonic
> presidents:
>
> "Camio is a great linguist and will willingly teach his summoner the
> languages of birds and mammals and also teach him to understand what
> has passed in a place by reading the speech of running waters."
>
> My on-the-spot interpretation is that there is one bird language, and
> one language for each of the subcategories of mammals (felines, great
> land mammals, riding animals, etc.) These languages only go to a
> maximum of Rank 4 however.
>
> Have any of the rest of you dealt with this? How have you interpreted
> this?
>
> Let's have some discussion in this group again,
>
> Rodger
>
>
>
>
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"Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to
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So how do you guys handle initiative? By the book? Got your own method?

Try this, it's the culmination of comments of many players on the defunct
WebRPG discussion group about this particular subject:

http://www.iosphere.net/~eric/dq/dqfaqs.htm

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Hi

In my curent campaign two of the party members follow Krypta queen of the
dead. She dislikes all things immortals (for obvious reasons). So therefore
demons and 'angels' with equal distaste.
I vaguely remember someone stattting up cherubs, seraphs etc at one point,
any know where these files are?

regards

JohnD

http://groups.msn.com/DragonquestMajesty/homepage

I assume you are talking about David Barrass' "Things Spiritual" which
can be found in the dq-rules Files section, in the Cathedral folder:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dq-rules/files/Cathedral/

Rodger

--- In dq-rules@yahoogroups.com, "davis john" <jrd123@h...> wrote:

> I vaguely remember someone stattting up cherubs, seraphs etc at one
point,
> any know where these files are?

No, its not that article

Im sure I saw someone had written up stats,

hierarchical order of the angels.
The 1st group is the seraphim, cherubim and thrones.

The 2nd group is composed of dominations, virtues and powers. Each group is
associated with specific symbols.

The 3rd group includes the principalities, protectors of nations, the
archangels, and the guardians angels who protect humans.


Ah well will have to make them myself. Made a very quick Seraph up for the
encounter I need it for (she was in the service of Uriel (Uriel is an angel
of death who was also thought to be the angel of transformation, is believed
to be standing by people on the verge of death. )

Based her stats on a devil (for equivalent power level) and chucked in a few
abilities (neutralise all venoms within 30ft, cure disease) and made it an
non adpet.
Interaction and conversation Worked fairly well (party didnt fight her) but
assassin was miffed as he stood too close and all his poisons got
neutralised!!

If no one can come up with the document will have to set about it myself.

Am taking a year of work so have managed to dedicate quite a lot of time to
my DQ campaign in the first two months. Somehow we are managing to play
once, and sometimes twice a week, which makes us very lucky indeed (seeing
as we are 40+ in age, variously married, with kiddies etc).

regards and seasonal greetings

John

http://groups.msn.com/DragonquestMajesty/homepage

>From: "rthorm" <rthorm@cornellbox.com>
>Reply-To: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com
>To: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [dq-rules] Re: creatures of light
>Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:43:40 -0000
>
>I assume you are talking about David Barrass' "Things Spiritual" which
>can be found in the dq-rules Files section, in the Cathedral folder:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dq-rules/files/Cathedral/
>
>Rodger
>
>
>--- In dq-rules@yahoogroups.com, "davis john" <jrd123@h...> wrote:
>
> > I vaguely remember someone stattting up cherubs, seraphs etc at one
>point,
> > any know where these files are?
>
>
>
>

you're right its not my article. There was an article in a magazine
about Angels, but they were a character race with wings, Its in the
files section of DQn-list as DW28_Angels.pdf if you're interested

I would be fascinated to see your completed results

David

--- In dq-rules@yahoogroups.com, "davis john" <jrd123@h...> wrote:
>
> No, its not that article
>
> Im sure I saw someone had written up stats,
>
> hierarchical order of the angels.
> The 1st group is the seraphim, cherubim and thrones.
>
> The 2nd group is composed of dominations, virtues and powers. Each
group is
> associated with specific symbols.
>
> The 3rd group includes the principalities, protectors of nations, the
> archangels, and the guardians angels who protect humans.
>
>
> Ah well will have to make them myself. Made a very quick Seraph up
for the
> encounter I need it for (she was in the service of Uriel (Uriel is
an angel
> of death who was also thought to be the angel of transformation, is
believed
> to be standing by people on the verge of death. )
>
> Based her stats on a devil (for equivalent power level) and chucked
in a few
> abilities (neutralise all venoms within 30ft, cure disease) and made
it an
> non adpet.
> Interaction and conversation Worked fairly well (party didnt fight
her) but
> assassin was miffed as he stood too close and all his poisons got
> neutralised!!
>
> If no one can come up with the document will have to set about it
myself.
>
> Am taking a year of work so have managed to dedicate quite a lot of
time to
> my DQ campaign in the first two months. Somehow we are managing to play
> once, and sometimes twice a week, which makes us very lucky indeed
(seeing
> as we are 40+ in age, variously married, with kiddies etc).
>
> regards and seasonal greetings
>
> John
>
> http://groups.msn.com/DragonquestMajesty/homepage
>
> >From: "rthorm" <rthorm@c...>
> >Reply-To: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com
> >To: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [dq-rules] Re: creatures of light
> >Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:43:40 -0000
> >
> >I assume you are talking about David Barrass' "Things Spiritual" which
> >can be found in the dq-rules Files section, in the Cathedral folder:
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dq-rules/files/Cathedral/
> >
> >Rodger
> >
> >
> >--- In dq-rules@yahoogroups.com, "davis john" <jrd123@h...> wrote:
> >
> > > I vaguely remember someone stattting up cherubs, seraphs etc at one
> >point,
> > > any know where these files are?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Yeah David I have seen those, but its for a player character race.

Maybe Im dreaming about seeing stats for a cherub etc.

Would love to write up a full review/interpretation but seem to be spending
a good 8 to 10 hours writng up new adventures / campaign stuff.

John

Your cathedral/spirit article is a very thorough examination.
Congratulations.

>From: "dbarrass_2000" <david.barrass@ed.ac.uk>
>Reply-To: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com
>To: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [dq-rules] Re: creatures of light
>Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:09:18 -0000
>
>you're right its not my article. There was an article in a magazine
>about Angels, but they were a character race with wings, Its in the
>files section of DQn-list as DW28_Angels.pdf if you're interested
>
>I would be fascinated to see your completed results
>
>David
>
>
>
>--- In dq-rules@yahoogroups.com, "davis john" <jrd123@h...> wrote:
> >
> > No, its not that article
> >
> > Im sure I saw someone had written up stats,
> >
> > hierarchical order of the angels.
> > The 1st group is the seraphim, cherubim and thrones.
> >
> > The 2nd group is composed of dominations, virtues and powers. Each
>group is
> > associated with specific symbols.
> >
> > The 3rd group includes the principalities, protectors of nations, the
> > archangels, and the guardians angels who protect humans.
> >
> >
> > Ah well will have to make them myself. Made a very quick Seraph up
>for the
> > encounter I need it for (she was in the service of Uriel (Uriel is
>an angel
> > of death who was also thought to be the angel of transformation, is
>believed
> > to be standing by people on the verge of death. )
> >
> > Based her stats on a devil (for equivalent power level) and chucked
>in a few
> > abilities (neutralise all venoms within 30ft, cure disease) and made
>it an
> > non adpet.
> > Interaction and conversation Worked fairly well (party didnt fight
>her) but
> > assassin was miffed as he stood too close and all his poisons got
> > neutralised!!
> >
> > If no one can come up with the document will have to set about it
>myself.
> >
> > Am taking a year of work so have managed to dedicate quite a lot of
>time to
> > my DQ campaign in the first two months. Somehow we are managing to play
> > once, and sometimes twice a week, which makes us very lucky indeed
>(seeing
> > as we are 40+ in age, variously married, with kiddies etc).
> >
> > regards and seasonal greetings
> >
> > John
> >
> > http://groups.msn.com/DragonquestMajesty/homepage
> >
> > >From: "rthorm" <rthorm@c...>
> > >Reply-To: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [dq-rules] Re: creatures of light
> > >Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:43:40 -0000
> > >
> > >I assume you are talking about David Barrass' "Things Spiritual" which
> > >can be found in the dq-rules Files section, in the Cathedral folder:
> > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dq-rules/files/Cathedral/
> > >
> > >Rodger
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In dq-rules@yahoogroups.com, "davis john" <jrd123@h...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I vaguely remember someone stattting up cherubs, seraphs etc at one
> > >point,
> > > > any know where these files are?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>

I'm about to post the latest version of my (with contributions of
others) "Things Spiritual" book.

Before I do does anyone have any criticism/comments (preferably
constructive) about it?

Thanks

David

David,

Don't have access to a copy at the moment to check and see if you have
already covered it or not, but a couple of things that might be good:

1. Demons - how do the demons of Greater Summoning interface with the
religious systems presented?

2. Books - What effect do spiritual tomes have?

3. Sanctification - Creation and effects of sacred objects and
consecrated ground.

--Rodger

--- In dq-rules@yahoogroups.com, "dbarrass_2000" <david.barrass@e...>
wrote:

>
> I'm about to post the latest version of my (with contributions of
> others) "Things Spiritual" book.
>
> Before I do does anyone have any criticism/comments (preferably
> constructive) about it?
>
> Thanks
>
> David
>

Thanks for the suggestions, this is more to get people thinking about
it than a replie to your points


One of the most fundamental things in the rules is that I've taken the
section on the first page of magic to heart.

"Consecrated Ground: Any ground that has been consecrated to the
service of the "Powers of Light" as defined by the GM is consecrated
ground and affects the abilities of all characters to resist magic.
There is no College specifically dedicated to the Powers of Light,
because it is assumed that they are non-magical in nature and are, in
effect, opposed to magic. Most temples and monasteries and some
graveyards will be consecrated ground. Barrows, pagan temples (those
in which magic forms part of the ritual) and the dwellings of magical
beings can never be consecrated ground"

From this there are 2 forms of religion, pagan and the Powers of Light
(PoL). The pagan religions are magic using religions and the PoL anti
magic, or at least not favourable towards it.

There are other hints, eg the negatives to magic on high holidays of
the PoL
Check out also the demon Samigina, the Vampire, and in Arcane Wisdom
Calcedony, The Crown of Osiris, The Coronet of Isis and Durendel

I have tried to remain true to these quotes whilst still respecting
the original rules, not spending my life doing it and creating a
system that isn't useless to play, I hope I have it right – feedback
is needed

1. Demons - how do the demons of Greater Summoning interface with the
religious systems presented?

Effectively they don't, the demons are modular, as are the religion
rules, so they should sit side by side happily. The demons will be
inherently opposed to certain religions (particularly PoL), but no
changes to how demons behave were made. If someone wants to say that
demons are debased old gods that's up to them, nothing in any of the
rules argues for or against this. If they want to say they're
actually in league to exploit humanity that's fine too
I am looking forward to see John Davis' Angels write up; he was at
least partially involved in the group that devised these rules - DQ
Cathedral (any errors are my own)


2. Books - What effect do spiritual tomes have?

I'm not sure what you mean by Spiritual Tomes. I say that the PoL
rituals are readings of the sacred text, and that if you know the text
any one with basic training can perform the rituals, all-be-it not
well. As for pagan I suppose that they are encoded spell books, moral
teachings, origin stories etc, without power in themselves.

Possibly more could be made of this, any ideas?

3. Sanctification - Creation and effects of sacred objects and
consecrated ground.

For PoL only. Consecrated ground is as the DQ rules; I include a
ritual for making it. In the bit about relics I say that they can
only be made by saints (I've called them sanctified Entities), and so
can't be made by Players. I do mention that saints have areas of
patronage and that the relic should be active in that area and rough
guidelines about the sort of effects and that's all on that front. I
have rules for sacred symbols and such things as holy water (I've
expanded it to include all 4 simple elements; I rather liked the idea
of a breath of life).

I'm alway looking for new ideas on this front, again anyone any good
ideas?

As for pagan their Magic items are made by Shapers, although if you
said that to a Pagan priest he'd stone you to death for heresy. I've
reluctantly included a mechanism for powerful spirits such as Gods to
act, and that is by changing the dye roll, it the spirit has enough
power his allies will critical (for want of a better word) and enemies
will fumble. I have mechanisms for a god to be able to place a
portion of itself in an item so this can be used. That way this power
remains in the GM's hands rather than a player's


There's more than what's above, go on give it a try; and if you have
any feed-back and/or other ideas please let me know

David

--- In dq-rules@yahoogroups.com, "rthorm" <rthorm@c...> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Don't have access to a copy at the moment to check and see if you have
> already covered it or not, but a couple of things that might be good:
>
> 1. Demons - how do the demons of Greater Summoning interface with the
> religious systems presented?
>
> 2. Books - What effect do spiritual tomes have?
>
> 3. Sanctification - Creation and effects of sacred objects and
> consecrated ground.
>
> --Rodger
>
> --- In dq-rules@yahoogroups.com, "dbarrass_2000" <david.barrass@e...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm about to post the latest version of my (with contributions of
> > others) "Things Spiritual" book.
> >
> > Before I do does anyone have any criticism/comments (preferably
> > constructive) about it?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > David
> >
>

Well here it is.

I've posted the next edition of Things Spritual. Its in the files
section.

Please please give me ideas, how you find it etc

Contents:-


INTRODUCTION 1
X. SPIRITS 2
100. THE NATURE OF SPIRITS 2
101. PHYSICAL WORLD SPIRITS 3
102. BOUNDARY SPRITS 3
103. OTHER PLANE SPIRITS 6
104. EGO COMBAT 6
105. THE COLLEGE OF SHAMANISM 7
XI. RELIGION 13
106. MAGICAL RELIGIONS 13
107. PRIESTS OF MAGICAL RELIGIONS 14
108. RELIGIOUS MAGIC 16
XII. EXAMPLE PAGAN PANTHEONS 20
109. GRAECO-ROMAN PANTHEON 20
110. THE CELTIC RELIGION 29
111. THE BARD SKILL 29
112. THE COLLEGE OF BARDIC MAGICS 29
113. OVATES 32
114. DRUIDS 33
115. TUATHA DE DANANN – GODS OF THE CELTS 35
116. THE NORSE GODS 39
117. EGYPTIAN PANTHEON 46
XIII. THE POWERS OF LIGHT 54
118. RELIGIONS OF THE POWERS OF LIGHT 54
119. CLERIC OF THE POWERS OF LIGHT 55
120. CLERICAL ABILITIES 56
121. THE POWERS OF LIGHT 62
XIV. PLANES OF EXISTENCE 69
122. THE PLANES 69
123. THE ELEMENTAL PLANE OF FIRE 71
124. THE ELEMENTAL PLANE OF WATER 71
125. THE ELEMENTAL PLANE OF EARTH 71
126. THE ELEMENTAL PLANE OF AIR 72
127. THE CELESTIAL ELEMENTAL PLANE 72
128. THE DEMONIC PLANE 73
129. THE SPIRIT PLANE 73
130. FAERIE 73
131. THE BOUNDARIES 74
132. THE COLLEGE OF FEY MAGICS 75


David

I enjoyed playing DQ for a very long time.

I tried other systems such as GURPS, RQ, Dragon Warriors, OD&D, AD&D,
2nd Ed, 3rd Ed, 3.5/d20, Powers & Perils and a fist full of others,
but the magic systems in these did not come close to what I wanted to
use in a game. DQ was the system which represented "the best" for me.
Dragon Warriors came a close second, due to the range of "colleges" it
had.

I have been working on a sci-fi game for a couple of years now, and
that goes to print shortly. I have been asked to do a FRPG, and while
I won't use DQ's sytem (for obvious, very legal reasons), I will be
using a few of the lessons learned from using it and other systems -
the first being flexibility. I love the idea of colleges, and have
seen them done in a couple of systems (and described in popular
fantasy), but again, DQ was the best example I found, so I intend to
use colleges.

The magic system that I intend to use will have some parallels, it
will be original work and be quite different.

Obviously I can't recreate or republish DQ, but I can create a game
which (for me) will allow me to recapture the fun that I had playing
DQ, and some of the "feel" of a set of well-crafted, flexible rules.

I enjoyed those aspects playing DQ, and have not found them all
together again in any FRPG since.

Craig

Hi,

It contains an HTML message that will send a 'chain email' to EVERY
group the person belongs to.

I ran into it on one of my groups and now it is trying to propagate to
ALL of my groups.

Sorry about this but I thought I should warn you sine I fell for it
and it seems to be spreading.

Again sorry,

Lance

I found this and I am thinking of trying it with a friend of mine who
lives in Kentucky
http://www.battlegroundsgames.com/overview.html

You might also take a look at:

http://rptools.net/

I think MapTool is coming along nicely. I think BattleGrounds has a
way to go before it is worth paying for.

Unfortunately neither of them have hex support yet though the MapTool
guys are working on it. It is scheduled for the future for BattleGrounds.

I've also used MapTools for a DQ session though it was face-to-face.

Phil

--- In dq-rules@yahoogroups.com, "jcorey30" <john@...> wrote:
>
> I found this and I am thinking of trying it with a friend of mine who
> lives in Kentucky
> http://www.battlegroundsgames.com/overview.html
>

My experience is similar. Have you checked out GURPS v4? I have not
played it yet, but it seems to step even closer to DQ as far as basic
Character attributes. In my estimation, GURPS comes closer to being
like DQ than any other game.

Craig Brain wrote:

> I enjoyed playing DQ for a very long time.
>
> I tried other systems such as GURPS, RQ, Dragon Warriors, OD&D, AD&D,
> 2nd Ed, 3rd Ed, 3.5/d20, Powers & Perils and a fist full of others,
> but the magic systems in these did not come close to what I wanted to
> use in a game. DQ was the system which represented "the best" for me.
> Dragon Warriors came a close second, due to the range of "colleges" it
> had.
>
> I have been working on a sci-fi game for a couple of years now, and
> that goes to print shortly. I have been asked to do a FRPG, and while
> I won't use DQ's sytem (for obvious, very legal reasons), I will be
> using a few of the lessons learned from using it and other systems -
> the first being flexibility. I love the idea of colleges, and have
> seen them done in a couple of systems (and described in popular
> fantasy), but again, DQ was the best example I found, so I intend to
> use colleges.
>
> The magic system that I intend to use will have some parallels, it
> will be original work and be quite different.
>
> Obviously I can't recreate or republish DQ, but I can create a game
> which (for me) will allow me to recapture the fun that I had playing
> DQ, and some of the "feel" of a set of well-crafted, flexible rules.
>
> I enjoyed those aspects playing DQ, and have not found them all
> together again in any FRPG since.
>
> Craig
>
>
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Dear fellows,

About the subject, someone have some idea, or some "house rules"?

By the way, the ranger have de ability to recognice an ambush. A "non
ranger", has the same chance, without the Ranger Lv bonus? (Ej. 3XPC)

Regards.

Gabriel.

To cover tracks, I assume a ranger needs to spend a little more time,
so the travel time for the group will be somewhat slower.

I usually use a 1 or 2 times PC roll for non-rangers to recognize an
ambush.

--Rob in Texas

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> Dear fellows,
>
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>
> By the way, the ranger have de ability to recognice an ambush. A "non
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Thanks a lot Rob.

Did you use to throw dice to see how eficient the "Cover the Tracks" was?

Regards.

Gabriel in Buenos Aires.

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Enviado el: mié 05/07/2006 23:31
Para: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: Re: [dq-rules] Ranger, and how to "Cover your Tracks".



To cover tracks, I assume a ranger needs to spend a little more time,
so the travel time for the group will be somewhat slower.

I usually use a 1 or 2 times PC roll for non-rangers to recognize an
ambush.

--Rob in Texas

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> Dear fellows,
>
> About the subject, someone have some idea, or some "house rules"?
>
> By the way, the ranger have de ability to recognice an ambush. A "non
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No, actually the rules under "Ranger" already states how much harder it
is for another ranger to track when the tracks have been covered, so I
just go with that. I assume a non-ranger trying to follow covered
tracks would have a very low chance - maybe rolling 1/2 PC or less, or
even less, like a 1 percent chance.

--Rob

On Jul 5, 2006, at 11:31 PM, Gabriel Martinez wrote:

> Thanks a lot Rob.
>
> Did you use to throw dice to see how eficient the "Cover the Tracks"
> was?
>
> Regards.
>
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> Para: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com
> Asunto: Re: [dq-rules] Ranger, and how to "Cover your Tracks".
>
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>
> To cover tracks, I assume a ranger needs to spend a little more time,
> so the travel time for the group will be somewhat slower.
>
> I usually use a 1 or 2 times PC roll for non-rangers to recognize an
> ambush.
>
> --Rob in Texas
>
> On Jul 5, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Satch_the_Great wrote:
>
>> Dear fellows,
>>
>> About the subject, someone have some idea, or some "house rules"?
>>
>> By the way, the ranger have de ability to recognice an ambush. A "non
>> ranger", has the same chance, without the Ranger Lv bonus? (Ej. 3XPC)
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Our group pretty much does the same as Rob. 1 or 2 times PC for
non-Rangers to recognize ambushes and this falls in line with 80.2
Surprise.

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> Thanks a lot for your opinion Rob.
>
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> tracks would have a very low chance - maybe rolling 1/2 PC or less, or
> even less, like a 1 percent chance.
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> >
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> > ambush.
> >
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> >
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> >>
> >> About the subject, someone have some idea, or some "house rules"?
> >>
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Was wondering if anyone had house rules for flintlock-level firearms...

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Nop.

We're not using fireamrs.

Sorry.

Gabriel.

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De: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com en nombre de Ran Hardin
Enviado el: mar 25/07/2006 20:52
Para: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: [dq-rules] DQ Musketeers?



Was wondering if anyone had house rules for flintlock-level firearms...

Flintlock is pretty advanced. Surely you'd want rules
for matchlock and wheellock first? The first flinklock
was 1690, whereas matchlock was three hundred and
fourty years prior.

Basic rules of thumb. Rifles/Muskets assumed
throughout.

They take ages to load (1 shot a minute for matchlock,
1 shot every 40 seconds for wheellock, 1 shot every
twenty seconds for flint).

Damage should be roughly +3 for a matchlock, +5 for a
wheellock, and +7 for a flintlock.

They're *really* easy to use. Untrained peasants could
be given a 14th century Handgonne and they'd have a
fair idea what to do with it. Further, the sequence
required for loading, sharpshooting etc would mean
that a pretty good max rank could be developed. I
would suggest as high as a 70% base chance with a
maximum of 7 ranks.

Their range is pretty well on par with a bow. Assume
80/100/120 for match, wheel, flint.

They're not too expensive; say 40 for a matchlock, 60
for a wheellock and 80 for a flintlock. Assuming you
have a campaign which has the requisite productivity
and technological development. If you're running
"secret weapons of the dwarves" you'll have
appropriate prices.

--- Gabriel Martinez <gmartinez@medioambiente.gov.ar>
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> Nop.
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> We're not using fireamrs.
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> Sorry.
>
> Gabriel.
>
> ________________________________
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> De: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com en nombre de Ran Hardin
> Enviado el: mar 25/07/2006 20:52
> Para: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com
> Asunto: [dq-rules] DQ Musketeers?
>
>
>
> Was wondering if anyone had house rules for
> flintlock-level firearms...
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> Damage should be roughly +3 for a matchlock, +5 for a
> wheellock, and +7 for a flintlock.

Nope. Damage would be about the same for each. Accuracy, and reliabilty
would improve along the way though.

> They're *really* easy to use. Untrained peasants could
> be given a 14th century Handgonne and they'd have a
> fair idea what to do with it. Further, the sequence
> required for loading, sharpshooting etc would mean
> that a pretty good max rank could be developed. I
> would suggest as high as a 70% base chance with a
> maximum of 7 ranks.

reloading is fairly slow. Sharphooter level should be even better tan
you indicate. If the gun goes off, a good marksmen with a flintlock will
hit a pie plate at 50 yards 10 out of 10 times. An excellent marksman
will hit that mark at 100 yards.

> Their range is pretty well on par with a bow. Assume
> 80/100/120 for match, wheel, flint.

Is that 5 foot increments? That's probably OK. Volley fire would get ypu
a longer range (similar to massed bow fire).

> They're not too expensive; say 40 for a matchlock, 60
> for a wheellock and 80 for a flintlock. Assuming you
> have a campaign which has the requisite productivity
> and technological development. If you're running
> "secret weapons of the dwarves" you'll have
> appropriate prices.

they should be fiendishly expensive. making barrels isn't as easy
(technologically speaking) as making spears and swords.

YMMV of course....

Optionally, you could add a skill check for the reload. An untrained
peasant would have a chance of getting it wrong and having a
backfire/misfire or at the very least throwing off the accuracy/damage
potential. Depending on just how detailed you want to get you could
also throw in issues like wet powder and whatever else might be
appropriate (don't know much about guns personally, just throwing in
what i remember from various history channel shows :) ).

Personally, how i would treat them would depend upon just how
significant they were in the campaign, and how seriously my players took
it. If it was just one player, doing it for fun, I'd probably just use
some variant on a crossbow (for simplicity and quickness). If it was a
significant weapon, say if we had an 18th-century-style setting, and
there were militia groups and armies carrying them, then I'd come up
with the complex rules including loading and wet powder and whatever
else I could dig up.

Things I might throw in if they were significant:
reload skill checks
wet/dry powder
quality of bullets (consistently sized/weighted/rounded, or are you just
shoving rocks in the barrel)
rifling?
scopes?
pre-packaged, per-shot powder charges vs. powder horns (these effect the
reload check)
bayonets (separate skill?)



Paul Ferraro wrote:

>> Damage should be roughly +3 for a matchlock, +5 for a
>> wheellock, and +7 for a flintlock.
>>
>
> Nope. Damage would be about the same for each. Accuracy, and reliabilty
> would improve along the way though.
>
>
>> They're *really* easy to use. Untrained peasants could
>> be given a 14th century Handgonne and they'd have a
>> fair idea what to do with it. Further, the sequence
>> required for loading, sharpshooting etc would mean
>> that a pretty good max rank could be developed. I
>> would suggest as high as a 70% base chance with a
>> maximum of 7 ranks.
>>
>
> reloading is fairly slow. Sharphooter level should be even better tan
> you indicate. If the gun goes off, a good marksmen with a flintlock will
> hit a pie plate at 50 yards 10 out of 10 times. An excellent marksman
> will hit that mark at 100 yards.
>
>
>> Their range is pretty well on par with a bow. Assume
>> 80/100/120 for match, wheel, flint.
>>
>
> Is that 5 foot increments? That's probably OK. Volley fire would get ypu
> a longer range (similar to massed bow fire).
>
>
>> They're not too expensive; say 40 for a matchlock, 60
>> for a wheellock and 80 for a flintlock. Assuming you
>> have a campaign which has the requisite productivity
>> and technological development. If you're running
>> "secret weapons of the dwarves" you'll have
>> appropriate prices.
>>
>
> they should be fiendishly expensive. making barrels isn't as easy
> (technologically speaking) as making spears and swords.
>
> YMMV of course....
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> Nope. Damage would be about the same for each. Accuracy, and

reliabilty

> would improve along the way though.

Paul has the right of it here. The method of ignition won't have any
effect on the damage.

The bore size, amount of powder and size of the projectile of course
would affect the damage.

> reloading is fairly slow. Sharphooter level should be even better tan
> you indicate. If the gun goes off, a good marksmen with a flintlock

will

> hit a pie plate at 50 yards 10 out of 10 times. An excellent marksman
> will hit that mark at 100 yards.

Same is true of a crossbow. I wouldn't put them as any more accurate
(ie Base Chance) than a crossbow.

> they should be fiendishly expensive. making barrels isn't as easy
> (technologically speaking) as making spears and swords.

I agree. Hundreds of silver pennies to low thousands would be more
appropriate.

I would be tempted to give them a "backfire" chance. On a 99, roll to
see if you perhaps overcharged it and blew it up or perhaps put too
little and now the ball is stuck half way down the barrel. Other
options would be the flash-pan spilled or got wet. The spring
mechanism failed. Etc.

Actually, I'd think a failure table like the magical Backfire
Table would be appropriate. A musket, or whatever, failure could
be anything from damp powder to bad flint to an explosion that
deals damage.
And, yes, I would imagine these would be very custom, very pricey
bits of equipment. At least until someone got things more
assembly line, and even then, they'd be rather expensive at best.
I would also imagine that gunpowder would be a closely held
secret.
If you all haven't read the Guardians of the Flame series by Joel
Rosenberg, he talks about the introduction of primative fire-arms
to a fantasy world. Though, it's a more D&D style world than DQ...

Cheers!
Jim
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To: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [dq-rules] Re: DQ Musketeers?

>> Nope. Damage would be about the same for each. Accuracy, and
>reliabilty
>> would improve along the way though.
>
>Paul has the right of it here. The method of ignition won't

have any

>effect on the damage.
>
>The bore size, amount of powder and size of the projectile of course
>would affect the damage.
>
>> reloading is fairly slow. Sharphooter level should be even

better tan

>> you indicate. If the gun goes off, a good marksmen with a

flintlock

>will
>> hit a pie plate at 50 yards 10 out of 10 times. An excellent

marksman

>> will hit that mark at 100 yards.
>
>Same is true of a crossbow. I wouldn't put them as any more

accurate

>(ie Base Chance) than a crossbow.
>
>> they should be fiendishly expensive. making barrels isn't as easy
>> (technologically speaking) as making spears and swords.
>
>I agree. Hundreds of silver pennies to low thousands would be more
>appropriate.
>
>I would be tempted to give them a "backfire" chance. On a 99,

roll to

>see if you perhaps overcharged it and blew it up or perhaps put too
>little and now the ball is stuck half way down the barrel. Other
>options would be the flash-pan spilled or got wet. The spring
>mechanism failed. Etc.
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--- darkislephil <darkislephil@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Nope. Damage would be about the same for each.
> Accuracy, and
> reliabilty
> > would improve along the way though.
>
> Paul has the right of it here. The method of
> ignition won't have any
> effect on the damage.

Yeah, I agree. My bad. Not thinking straight.



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Actually, I just chose "flintlock" as a quick default word for "early
firearms." I'm toying with some ideas for my game world to shake it
loose from the generic European medieval mishmosh.

Thanks for the data. It's good stuff. Were flintlocks really that
cheap? Weren't they individually-crafted and time-consuming to make?


--- In dq-rules@yahoogroups.com, Lev Lafayette <lev_lafayette@...>
wrote:

>
>
> Flintlock is pretty advanced. Surely you'd want rules
> for matchlock and wheellock first? The first flinklock
> was 1690, whereas matchlock was three hundred and
> fourty years prior.
>
> Basic rules of thumb. Rifles/Muskets assumed
> throughout.
>
> They take ages to load (1 shot a minute for matchlock,
> 1 shot every 40 seconds for wheellock, 1 shot every
> twenty seconds for flint).
>
> Damage should be roughly +3 for a matchlock, +5 for a
> wheellock, and +7 for a flintlock.
>
> They're *really* easy to use. Untrained peasants could
> be given a 14th century Handgonne and they'd have a
> fair idea what to do with it. Further, the sequence
> required for loading, sharpshooting etc would mean
> that a pretty good max rank could be developed. I
> would suggest as high as a 70% base chance with a
> maximum of 7 ranks.
>
> Their range is pretty well on par with a bow. Assume
> 80/100/120 for match, wheel, flint.
>
> They're not too expensive; say 40 for a matchlock, 60
> for a wheellock and 80 for a flintlock. Assuming you
> have a campaign which has the requisite productivity
> and technological development. If you're running
> "secret weapons of the dwarves" you'll have
> appropriate prices.
>

Haw! Like the idea of a backfire/malfunction chance, perhaps modified
by circumstances (environmental conditions, user's rank with the
weapon, quality of craftsmanship and materials, etc.).

I seem to recall there were some guidelines, somewhere, for
converting the older D&D to DragonQuest. They may have been
based on information found in the AD&D/DQ cross-stat adventure
"The Shattered Statue" by TSR, but they may not have been. Does
anyone have any information on this?

I'm after it because I wanted to convert the old Melnibonean
Mythos from the earliest version of Deities and Demigods into DQ.
So, if someone's already done that, that'd be cool, too.

Thanks,
Jim
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Apart from taking out the naughty magics and demons,
is there a summary anywhere of the major differences
between 2nd and 3rd edition?

All the best,


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Lev Lafayette wrote:

> Apart from taking out the naughty magics and demons,
> is there a summary anywhere of the major differences
> between 2nd and 3rd edition?
>
> All the best,
>
>
> Lev

Check the Files section of this YahooGroup and I think you'll find a
document that shows the difference between the two editions.
If it's not there, post again and I'll dig through my links to find you
a website that has it.

Good luck,
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--- "J. K. Hoffman" <ryumaou@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Lev Lafayette wrote:
> > Apart from taking out the naughty magics and
> demons,
> > is there a summary anywhere of the major
> differences
> > between 2nd and 3rd edition?
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> >
> > Lev
>
> Check the Files section of this YahooGroup and I
> think you'll find a
> document that shows the difference between the two
> editions.
> If it's not there, post again and I'll dig through
> my links to find you
> a website that has it.
>

Not that I can see. The closest thing is a rtf of the
difference between the Bantam edition and the zip
files.

All the best,


Lev


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Sorry, it might be in the other DQ YahooGroup, DQ-List or
DQN-List, I can't remember which.
In any case, Google turned up this page:
http://www.igs.net/~eric/dq/index.htm
and about 2/3 of the way down the page, there's a 2nd vs. 3rd
edition rules comparison. That *should* be what you're looking for.

Good luck!
Jim

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From: Lev Lafayette <lev_lafayette@yahoo.com.au>
To: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [dq-rules] Difference between 2nd and 3rd editions

>
>
>--- "J. K. Hoffman" <ryumaou@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Lev Lafayette wrote:
>> > Apart from taking out the naughty magics and
>> demons,
>> > is there a summary anywhere of the major
>> differences
>> > between 2nd and 3rd edition?
>> >
>> > All the best,
>> >
>> >
>> > Lev
>>
>> Check the Files section of this YahooGroup and I
>> think you'll find a
>> document that shows the difference between the two
>> editions.
>> If it's not there, post again and I'll dig through
>> my links to find you
>> a website that has it.
>>
>
>Not that I can see. The closest thing is a rtf of the
>difference between the Bantam edition and the zip
>files.
>
>All the best,
>
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>Lev
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I just checked my copy of TSS and while there are charts for the
adventure monsters in both ADnD and DQ form I didn't see any
conversion guidelines.

Phil

--- In dq-rules@yahoogroups.com, "J K Hoffman" <ryumaou@...> wrote:
>
> I seem to recall there were some guidelines, somewhere, for
> converting the older D&D to DragonQuest. They may have been
> based on information found in the AD&D/DQ cross-stat adventure
> "The Shattered Statue" by TSR, but they may not have been. Does
> anyone have any information on this?
>
> I'm after it because I wanted to convert the old Melnibonean
> Mythos from the earliest version of Deities and Demigods into DQ.
> So, if someone's already done that, that'd be cool, too.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
> ---------
> "A bone to the dog is not charity.
> Charity is bone to the dog, when you are just as hungry as the dog."
>
> --Jack London
>

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "darkislephil" <darkislephil@yahoo.com>

> I just checked my copy of TSS and while there are charts for the
> adventure monsters in both ADnD and DQ form I didn't see any
> conversion guidelines.
>
> Phil
>
> --- In dq-rules@yahoogroups.com, "J K Hoffman" wrote:
> >
> > I seem to recall there were some guidelines, somewhere, for
> > converting the older D&D to DragonQuest. They may have been
> > based on information found in the AD&D/DQ cross-stat adventure
> > "The Shattered Statue" by TSR, but they may not have been. Does
> > anyone have any information on this?
> >
> > I'm after it because I wanted to convert the old Melnibonean
> > Mythos from the earliest version of De ities and Demigods into DQ.
> > So, if someone's already done that, that'd be cool, too.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jim
> > ---------
> > "A bone to the dog is not charity.
> > Charity is bone to the dog, when you are just as hungry as the dog."
> >
> > --Jack London
> >
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Thank you both. Sorry it took so long to reply, but I've been out of
town for a couple of days.
I could have sworn I saw a spread-sheet of some kind that did the
conversion. Possibly a web-page that did the conversion for monsters.
Maybe it was just wishful thinking, but if I find it, I'll post it
and/or a link to it to the group.

Thanks again!
Jim

igmod@comcast.net wrote:

> My rule of thumb (sexist I know) is to multiply the D&D stat by 5, then
> divide by 4.
>
> Str = PS
> Int = MA
> Wis = WP
> Agility = is used for both Ag & MD
> Con = En (figure Ft on En)
> Cha = PB
>
> ~Jeffery~
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "darkislephil" <darkislephil@yahoo.com>
>
> > I just checked my copy of TSS and while there are charts for the
> > adventure monsters in both ADnD and DQ form I didn't see any
> > conversion guidelines.
> >
> > Phil
> >

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Quote of the day:
"Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo."
-H.G. Wells
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Wow, Powers & Perils! Now there was a game. It actually had a handful
of really good ideas, and some unusual entities in the bestiary (esp.
creatures from Middle Eastern myths)… but man, what a clunker of a game
system! And the "artwork" – feh!

As I recall, the adventure setting was pretty well done, and there were
some item tables worth cribbing from. I've always wondered if they
actually playtested the thing before they released it.

Anyone else ever try this game?


Oh, and good luck on the rules write-ups. It's a pretty daunting task.

There's an outside chance the old Thieves' World setting has some
conversion rules. It had stats for AD&D, DQ, and something else (maybe
C&S or Runequest?). I'll dig it out in the next couple of days and
give it a look.

Hey, I really appreciate that! I guess from the lack of response
about the spreadsheet I mentioned, no one else remembers it at
all? Must have just been wishful thinking...

Anyway, thanks in advance for this,
Jim

--- Original Message ---
From: "Ran Hardin" <dantalion64@excite.com>
To: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [dq-rules] Re: AD&D Conversion to DQ?

>There's an outside chance the old Thieves' World setting has some
>conversion rules. It had stats for AD&D, DQ, and something else

(maybe

>C&S or Runequest?). I'll dig it out in the next couple of days and
>give it a look.

---------
"A bone to the dog is not charity.
Charity is bone to the dog, when you are just as hungry as the dog."

--Jack London

I still have my copies of P&P and Perilous Lands(?). I recall at the
time we tried to play it we kept running into "holes" in the rules.
Things we just couldn't figure out what to do or how to interpret.

It was an interesting campaign setting though and I know that at the
time I thought it had some good ideas.

--- In dq-rules@yahoogroups.com, "Ran Hardin" <dantalion64@...> wrote:
>
> Wow, Powers & Perils! Now there was a game. It actually had a handful
> of really good ideas, and some unusual entities in the bestiary (esp.
> creatures from Middle Eastern myths)… but man, what a clunker of a game
> system! And the "artwork" – feh!
>
> As I recall, the adventure setting was pretty well done, and there were
> some item tables worth cribbing from. I've always wondered if they
> actually playtested the thing before they released it.
>
> Anyone else ever try this game?
>
>
> Oh, and good luck on the rules write-ups. It's a pretty daunting task.
>

It had stats for a dozen or so game systems. The DQ section describes
creating characters in or transfering characters to the TW setting but
no conversion between rule formats are provided.

--- In dq-rules@yahoogroups.com, "Ran Hardin" <dantalion64@...> wrote:
>
> There's an outside chance the old Thieves' World setting has some
> conversion rules. It had stats for AD&D, DQ, and something else (maybe
> C&S or Runequest?). I'll dig it out in the next couple of days and
> give it a look.
>

Can't say I ever saw a spreadsheet for that purpose.

Phil

--- In dq-rules@yahoogroups.com, "J K Hoffman" <ryumaou@...> wrote:
>
> Hey, I really appreciate that! I guess from the lack of response
> about the spreadsheet I mentioned, no one else remembers it at
> all? Must have just been wishful thinking...
>
> Anyway, thanks in advance for this,
> Jim
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: "Ran Hardin" <dantalion64@...>
> To: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [dq-rules] Re: AD&D Conversion to DQ?
>
> >There's an outside chance the old Thieves' World setting has some
> >conversion rules. It had stats for AD&D, DQ, and something else
> (maybe
> >C&S or Runequest?). I'll dig it out in the next couple of days and
> >give it a look.
>
> ---------
> "A bone to the dog is not charity.
> Charity is bone to the dog, when you are just as hungry as the dog."
>
> --Jack London
>